PRESS RELEASE: Premier must legislate Binding Referendum
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Sep 14, 2010
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PREMIER MUST LEGISLATE BINDING REFERENDUM
Vander Zalm: Premier’s call for binding referendum requiring a simple majority vote requires legislative action.
Victoria – Fight HST Leader and former BC premier, Bill Vander Zalm, says Premier Campbell’s call for a binding referendum requiring a simple majority of votes cast to kill the HST will require new legislation or amendments to the Initiative and Recall Act.
Vander Zalm says the premier’s announcement came immediately after both the Liberal and NDP members of the Standing Committee voted unanimously to submit the “HST Extinguishment Act” to a non-binding Initiative Vote requiring an undemocratic threshold of 50% of all registered voters to pass.
“The statement by the premier shows he is starting to understand he can no longer dictate his will on the HST to British Columbians, and we welcome that if he is truly sincere,” said Vander Zalm.
But Vander Zalm says a number of issues were raised by the premier’s comments. “First, as much as we welcome this change of heart, it is not his decision to make. He must reconvene the legislature and amend the Initiative Act to allow for a truly democratic referendum that is binding and requires a simple majority vote, since the current legislation does not allow for that.”
Vander Zalm pointed out that Elections BC confirmed at the hearings today that Cabinet has the final say over the question to be asked. “If that’s true, the only way to ensure a fair and accurate question is asked that reflects the intention of petition is to allow both Elections BC and the proponent, Bill Vander Zalm, to participate in drafting and approving that question together with the government.”
As well, Vander Zalm says that the government should not use taxpayer funds to advertise its position on the HST while acting as an official “Opponent” of the referendum. “There is no way the people can compete with the government using their own money to oppose them. We say there should be a level playing field, and that both sides should make their case through public meetings and through the media.”
Vander Zalm says that with BC still in recession and the government running massive deficits that there is no point in government spending huge sums of money trying to skew public opinion. “If Premier Campbell truly wants a democratic process as he says, he will respect the financial limits of the people to fight back against his government.”
Vander Zalm says the referendum must be conducted before the end of 2010. He says it would be highly irresponsible to wait another year to vote on an issue as pressing as the HST. “The damage to the economy from waiting until September 2011 will be incalculable. It will slow spending down even more than has already happened. In the case of new home construction, investment real estate, and home renovations, it will kill those industries completely, since everyone will immediately halt major spending in anticipation of the HST being extinguished.”
“Even major municipal capital projects will be put on hold as towns and cities wait to realize huge savings from ending the HST.”
“Consumers will continue to be hurt as well, and need relief sooner rather than later from this regressive tax,” added Vander Zalm.
Vander Zalm says further damage would be caused by delaying the referendum, since the government will have to refund more than $2B in HST revenues to all British Columbians. “The HST Extinguishment Act provides for any extra HST monies to be refunded back to the taxpayers. If the government waits another year to repeal the tax, they will have to pay all that back to British Columbians.”
Vander Zalm says the provincial government has only spent half the federal transition money so far, and waiting another year to rescind the tax will see them having spent the balance. “Then they’ll have to pay that back too. Delaying the referendum could cause more damage and create even more problems than the tax already has. They must act immediately for the sake of businesses, consumers and the economy itself.”
Vander Zalm says he has sent a letter to the premier pointing out these important issues, and asking that he move quickly to resolve them in the best interests of the whole province.
“We look forward to hearing back from Premier Campbell. He has said that British Columbians will have the final say. Now we need him to ensure a process is underway to have that happen,” concluded Vander Zalm.
CLICK HERE TO READ THE LETTER TO PREMIER CAMPBELL
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recall them all, starting NOW!!!!!
HST and lower prices?? That is what our illustrious Premier said. Business would pass the savings on to the consumer…well this is not happening, in fact in some cases prices have gone up. Start the recall and start in the Premier’s riding!
I am more upset with Campbell now than I was a couple of days ago, if thats possible. I would like to help with the recall. There going to waste another 30 million plus
mr zalm
good call for democracy. thanks for helping all b.c. we need to keep gordon informed that we are on it..and i am ready to do what ever i can to help with the recall
I say lets get on with the MLA recall process in every riding where there were sufficient petition signatures. Recall every one of those lying b______s, because it is now abundantly clear the Government has no intention of reversing the HST decision. They are undoubtedly banking on the apathy of BC voters if sufficient time elapses.
T.M. Wertepny
Gordon Campbell and his liberal party are just delaying it now. Why do we have to suffer for so long. Its now time to call for Recall which is less expensive for all British Columbians and I am quite sure we will be able to get this government out once and for all. Take only 12 riddings including his own and I am quite sure he will get what he deserve once and for all.
So lets go for it on Nov. 18 right away.
Excellent response, guys. Your letter to the premier must be given the widest publicity by the media. The conditions in this letter are our minimum requirements – anything less will be seen as political manipulation by the Liberals. If they do not comply with these four conditions we should boycott the whole process as an example of sham democracy.
The provincial government has been downsizing the number of ciivil servants for at least 2 years. I bet those previous finance ministry staff who were let go, because presumably they are no longer needed to administer PST, are angry and will vote against the HST. How many civil servants have been let go and are not there to enforce provincial concerns? How many more unemployed people has Mr. Campbell added to an already weak economy? If people are unemployed, they do not spend money on anything but the vitals, and that spending will also be reduced.
I thought Bill VanderZalm said that he wouldn’t accept a referendum on the HST but would iniate recall. These comments seem to indicate that we will have to wait for a referendum.
He is only delaying the inevitable.I posted on the news for people who live in Terry Lakes riding to recall him
Campbell just lead his MLA’s to the slaughter house and he clould care less, what a buch of wimps…Len Johnston
RECALL, RECALL, RECALL no more BS, we have to get rid of all of them!! I heard Crapbell on CKNW and it made me sick. What an arrogant ass.
The real question now is who do we vote for in the next election? There are no viable alternatives to Gordon Campbell and the Liberals unless you accept the NDP. What is being done about this? Is Bill going to run again – I personally hope so. Will they dust off the shell of their old party and get some new blood on it so we have a viable option because I really do not want to see Gordo and his crew in office again. Gordo is still playing with the will of the people of BC. BC is going down the toilet!
If my employee’s said: “Gee boss you know we can do it sooner,,, but we’ll take one year before we/re will to try “…!
They would be FIRED…!!!!!!
—- Lets do that ,
Lets start FIRING these SLACKERS…!
Start the RE-CALL’s now…!
Ida-Chong is first
The last election in 2009 saw only 51 percent of the electorate show up at the polls. And this was Provincial election. Don’t you think that Gordon Campbell has already figured out the odds? Two stories are already for print 1) I told you the majority of the people saw the HST as benefiting the Province 2) I told you I would give the people what they wanted and being the good guy I am, I will honour their decision and reverse the HST. Praise and glory to me!
We all know Gordon Campbell is a liar. I do not believe one word from his mouth.
Mail out the brochure which cost taxpayers $780,000.00 if you really think there is more to tell us about the HST. Have the referendum before the end of this year and abide by the majority of the people who vote.
Stop interfering with Elections BC and appoint a Chief Electoral Officer with input from both parties.
If he doesn’t have a referendum this year we must start recall.
The sensible thing to do, and the most cost effective would have been to send the petition to the house, debate on it and have a FREE vote. They are too chicken to do that.
Mickey Mouse could run this Province better than the Liberals.
I am disgusted with the whole thing.
I agree with the Zalm. Waiting a full year for the referendum is ridiculous. There is no reason it cannot be held in January at the latest.
The Libs are just trying to wear BC down.
I just wonder how on this earth our leaders intend to pay back illegal taxes. Wil they require everybody to precent a receit and then write a government cheque for the amount even if it’s under a $? If we could stop our government from bragging about how good they are to us and take down distracting road signs to that effect. then there would be plenty of money for indexing canadas old age security plan Of $ 773.70
Okay Mr. VanderZalm, I have supported you since this whole fiasco began. I have believed you, because I needed someone to believe in. You have said numerous times that if the Premier did not listen to the people and get rid of this tax, that you would begin recalls. Well, here we are, and now you’re saying, okay, let’s go ahead with a referendum…HUH??? What a complete waste of taxpayers money and time. We have already spoken. Why do we need to speak, yet again. And why are you suddenly backing out and not going ahead with your threats of recalls? I don’t understand. Mr. Campbell needs to be ousted as of yesterday! He is not just guilty of the HST. Even if we have a referendum and vote it down, and even if he chooses to listen to the people, are we going to forget everything else he is guilty of? He does not deserve to be out Premier, period. Or perhaps, maybe just maybe, you are just like the rest of them…I sure hope not. You have given the people of BC a small bit of hope, don’t let us down now.
Campbell will not do anything you suggested. He is the Lord All Mighty. Who are you to tell him what to do? Even Campbell himself said yesterday “There’s no point in going to the people if you’re not going to listen to them.”.
Total recall is the only answer.
Campbell will fudge the question and the process so the referendum will not pass. If it did pass, he’ll say it’s not binding. He will not change the existing legislation.
Bring down the Liberal gov’t now.
I think it would be insane to believe anything that comes out of this weasel’s mouth, especially the “change of heart” he imagines we’re willing to swallow. He’s been a barefaced liar since before 2001 and now is stalling for time, trying to avert the recalls in November and to reconfigure Elections BC and whatever else he needs to pervert in order to stay in office. It’s long past time to throw these bastards out. Come on, November.
And by the way, how come it was impossible to cancel the HST until yesterday??? Nasty SOB. Don’t believe a word he says.
i agree, bring them down, or let someone else go after them.
@mamayama1981
Stop it already! I suggest you go back and read the letter from Mr. Vanderzalm to Premier Campbell again, very carefully this time. Perhaps then you can come up with a more intelligent response.
I think you owe Mr. Vanderzalm an apology.
Thank you, Mr. Vanderzalm. Without you, we could never have gotten this far. Keep up the good work. I’m behind you 100%!
I believe that under the circumstances, Bill VZ’s letter is quite appropriate. Campbell is using his “good guy image” by saying he will allow for a fairer vote count on this issue. (And of course they are buying a year’s worth of time to accomodate voter’s short memories and opportunity to sell their product). Easy for Campbell to tell the public a ton of “half truths” or out and out lie ….. history repeats!
Yes we have to go for recall !!!! VZ does not disagree with this stance. He is taking things one step at a time (over reacting just makes us all look silly). VZ has done us all a great service …. it is up to us to run our own recall campaigns riding by riding.
The liberals only acknowledge polls when they approve of the message. They say they need more proof that BC voters do not want the HST …. so they are willing to spend millions of our tax dollars as a means to delay the process.
I suggest we all write to Campbell demanding an immediate resolution and making him aware that his credibility is shot. He should also be promising to not accept or spend any more Federal monies related to this tax. We will remind the voting public that this man cannot be trusted and will manipulate the truth without hesitation.
Recall should start with Slater, Pimm, Foster, Lee, Hayer and Taylor. Yes it will be cold collecting signatures during the winter, but these MLA’s were the one’s that sent this petition back to Elections BC for referendum rather than send it directly to the legislature for a free vote. This is just one more example of why the gov’t needs more tax dollars ….. uncontrolled spending and ignorant decisions!
Does anyone want to join me …. I am heading out with a clip board and a sign …. “SIGN UP HERE TO ASSIST WITH THE RECALL OF “__”. GOV’T SPENDING OF OUR TAX DOLLARS A YEAR FROM NOW A WASTE!”
Sorry, I’m not buying it.
He has an agenda up his sleeve somewhere and I’m (quite frankly) tired of watching the “kids in the candy store” to see what there going to try to pull off next.
Enough is enough folks, really. Let’s get this done and over with and the sooner, the better.
This HST is killing BC.
Recall is the only answer to this ongoing problem with Campbell and Crew.
Personally speaking of course.
The best defence is a good offence, we should continue with the recall. We must force Campbell to hold the vote this year and the only way we’ll get this is if he is worried about lossing his power.
@Virginia
Grow up! Haven’t we learned that we cannot trust any figurehead? Behind somebody 100% is the very reason corruptive powers ends up in the wrong hand.
I appreciate what our former premier has done for us in this and to show our appreciation, we should complete his legacy in the Initiative Act. Prefect it, execute it, attach it onto the charter of rights, so that every CANADIANs can monitor the government between elections.
It is a foundamental right!
Again the BC Liberals are telling us what we want. They said British Columbians want a referendum. I don’t want a referendum I want a change in Government and the HST gone.
Thank you once again Gordo for not listening, putting your will ahead of the peoples and wasting our tax dollars.
Mr. VanderZalm, thank you for your hard work. I really do hope you go ahead with the recalls starting in November. It’s time for change.
Isn’t this HST illegal to begin with? It was never vuted on in the legislature and our constitution clearly states “NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION”
My husband and I continually to be shocked at the amount of tax attached to our bills now with the HST tax – dental services,haircuts, meals out, even salads purchased from the grocery store, home repairs etc. etc. A letter to the editor of the Sun newspaper said this is a non discriminatory tax because it is the same for everyone. I disagree. For the many people in our province working for low service wages or on pension the tax represents a large percentage of their take home pay. For the upper middle class and wealthy not so much. How is this fair when the poorer get poorer and large businesses make more and more money. Waiting an additional year to get rid of the HST when we the citizens never approved of it in the first place is ridiculous.
Someone on The Province/Vancouver Sun commented that he heard Campbell on the radio yesterday saying he would not put anything he said in writing. Meaning, he didn’t say anything. If he did, we misunderstood it or took it out of context. His real intention is to stall for time and to do nothing in the end, so everything he ever said or will say is nothing.
Let’s get the recalls organized. Not only do we need an army of canvassers; we also need an army in the backroom on the computers checking to see if the names are on the voters’ list. Would be nice if Elections BC would give us a list but only wishful thinking. We only have 60 days to collect 40% of the voters’ signatures. We have to know where we stand every day so we can make changes where necessary. On the petition about 20% of the signatures were disqualified. We have to watch it this time. On top of that, Campbell and his goons will try to sabotage this every way they can. I am sure they will enlist big business.
Have computer. Will travel.
|I am a small business guy who is trying to built a small business and support a family of 5. With the HST, my housing project will cost me additional $ 25,900 more which more of equal to a 7 to 8 months salary for some working people. So, tell me about lower consumer price. It is non-sense.
As for Forest industry in B.C. it is the miss-management by government and the union. Why are we 75% of the population had to support the 25% of the so call union and government employees? Big corporation will only looking after the shareholders; not the average British Columbian. As for you – Mr. Campbell, you are suppose to create a better place for all your fellow citizen in the province of B.C. It is you and your cabinet to ensure an equal opportunity for all not a small group of people.
Stop the high price in real-estate by increase transfer tax on those million dollar house. Put a immediate tax hold on those realtor who sell millions dollar house in the west-side. Stop giving subsidy to those new immigrant who reside in the millions dollar house in the westside of Vancouver. It will save us a lot of taxpayer’s money. Take out the HST.
I would like to add to my previous comments on this matter. The news media, specifically CBC and Channel 12 this morning reported that……Premier Campbell will eliminate the HST if the majority of Referendum voters so vote. That, in fact is a distortion of the facts at best, or at worst a lie. Campbell said if the majority so vote, “….. We will have to think about getting rid of the HST”. This may not be a verbatim transcript of what he said but he did not unequivocally say if the voters so vote we will abolish the HST and refund the money to taxpayers. If possible, please look at the tapes and if I’m correct issue a press release pointing out the mealy-mouth weasely verbal diarrhea of Campbell. Thank you for all the good work and keep the pressure on until the Liberals cave, or all are voted out on their posteriors.
T.M. Wertepny
The Premier and the Finance Minister are both lying to the people.
They are trying to hang on to their Jobs as long as posible.
Gordon Campbell states that he is working for the good of B.C.
He is only working for his own interest and all he can get for
as long as he can.
If he was truly interested in the Province and the people he
would come clean on B.C rail and also listen to the people and kill the H.S.T now.
This government should resign now as they have lost the confidence of the voters of B.C.
We can do better if we elect more independents as they will listen to the will of the People.
Gordon Campbell and Mr Harper have fooled the People and it is time to awake.
The Federal Government should not be getting away scott free
on the H.S.T. issue.They are both in it together.
My opinion.
If Gonden insist to delay the referrdem to next year, will you recall?
This crazy Gordon Campbell is using this 1 year to buy his time. He will use the tax payers’ money for the advertisement for HST in this period.
I tell you, this makes people more angry than before.
We definitely have to organize the recall for all the Liberal MLAs. We have to start now.
I have voted for the past 30 years. I am totally sick and tired of policticans at all levels. They are all liars and cheaters and can ever be trusted. They will never sway to public opinion their to worried about their indexed pensions. One is no better than the next, their all liars.. I’m done voting !!!!
I stand for no more back room dealing with the Liberals …. I want a call movement started in November.
We could have saved the $30m cost on a province wide referendum or the $13m on mailing but just sending the HST movement to legislature for a free vote which would have been without cost but no the Liberal won’t have it that way. They just waste and waste and waste our tax dollars to give the businesses their rebate on taxes.
Kick them to the curb I say, just kick them to the curb!
VanderZalm you will be doing us a dis-service by liberating them on any deals. We have all worked too hard to let it slip away.
I want them out .
That is the threat, Campbell and Hansen are making, the $30 million cost. They were at fault, for jumping the gun, and cramming the HST down our throats. I don’t give a rip, how much it will cost, to reverse the HST. Perhaps if Campbell and Hansen, hadn’t lied in the first place, this would not have happened. They have stolen enough from the BC people, they can dammed well pay it out of their own pockets. Campbell, Hansen and the BC “liberal?” party, are the most foul, evil government, in the entire history of Canada. They are the most despicable scum, BC people have ever had to contend with. The BC citizens, will also, not forget Harper’s stand on the BC HST, come Federal Election time. Shame on the entire, corrupt lot of them.
hey gordo It like smoke and mirrors from you in the past Guess what it is now crack smoke and shattered glass
At the K cafe in Keremeos
on main street.Posted on the windows,there are signs suggesting our MLA
Mr.John Slater Boundry
Similkameen listen to the
taxpayers and do the right thing regarding the
H S T. We are ready to rock and roll on the recall! We just need to hear
the Battle Cry from the
HST Team “RECALL”
Our Team is Ready, Are You?
**FAAAANTASTIC**
RECALL IMMEDIATELY!!! THE PEOPLE DEMAND IT!
MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL NOT PAY OUR TAXES NEXT YEAR AND BANKRUPT THE GOVERNMENT!
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–noun
GORDON CAMBELL
1.
the offense of acting to overthrow one’s government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2.
a violation of allegiance to one’s sovereign or to one’s state.
3.
the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
Gordon Cambell is engaged no longer in a standard battle for re-election; instead he is fighting to avoid going down in history disgraced completely.
ABSOLUTELY!!
Our dictator got what he wanted, a year to have his PAB rats work on brainwashing the BC electorate, at our expense of course.
I agree with Bill we cannot wait until next September to repeal this tax. The referendum must be done by Dec 31/2010. If this Government refuses to do so then we move to recall and bring down the entire Government. I do not trust anything that comes out of Campbell’s mouth he is not to be trusted on this referendum at all. He will surely have some sneaky plan in the background.
Why is Gordo dontating money to the BC Childrens Hospital now after all these years, why do we see his ugly head on every news channel or CKNW. Why do many newschannels and radio stations even allow this fellow to spew his venom. Hes simply being given channels to spread lies.
I hope the people of BC see through the lies….this is costing us hundreds and thousands of dollars. Please recall!!! take a stand. Its up to all of us!!!!
It is time to reduce the pay and pensions of MLAs. Their pensions cost taxpayers four dollars for every dollar they put in. The mailout cost $ 780,000 and about half of that amount was to design the thing. The minister should have been able to design the simple handout himself if he was worth half as much as he is being paid. The rules for referendums need to be made in way that can be implemented at less cost to the taxpayer. All and more needs to be done to democratize the process of government in B.C.
RECALL lets get on with it. We could save 30 million on a nonbinding referenum! I emailed the premier and let him know that if this was not dealt with quickly I would be involved in the recall campaine as I do not feel that one year is acceptable. Lets burry Campbell in mail maybe he may get the hint
All they are doing is biding their time hoping the people of b.c.will forget what has happened. Hopefully this tactic won’t work. Good work Bill and Chris. Keep the pressure on. The quicker this bunch of crooks are gone tne better.
Today Colin Hansen said, “If the voters of British Columbia go out and vote against the harmonized sales tax there will be consequences” To me this seems like a threat, how dare he! The implication is, vote to keep the HST or else? Does Mr.Hansen really think we the people are going to take this lying down. What consequences did he have in mind I wonder?
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Sad ,that this government is not honest , but what else is new ? seems the worker always pays ! we need business , only business needs people ! its a 2 way street, only why put all the burden on the workers??? taxing us to the hilt ! that is criminal ! we were hardly making ends meet before , now ! adding another tax ? where are we to get these extra funds from ??? if we got a 43% raise as you Mr Campbell , we would not have any problem with your h.s.t. only we are not in your leque with swet money off our backs to use our tax dollars ,to advertize how good H.S.T is for us ?? when all the time this tax is taken the last dollars out of our pockets ! we need to get rid of you !
Get rid of the hst. The government is wasteful with it’s money and soon they will want more taxes again! This is too much for people to bear. People with money will leave canada.
The Big-Media use every excuse to promote the Big-Business corporate agenda, of which they are a part. King Campbell is their up-front spokesman but he is just another of their puppets – like all the other CEO’s and executives holding on desperately to their over-paid jobs. These guys are all there to hide the real power in our society – the fabulously wealthy ‘owners’ of all these corporations: like Jimmy Pattison. (“What Jimmy wants, Jimmy gets.”)
It is only direct action on the streets that can get our message out to the public without being filtered by the corporate-liars. Keep the faith!
30 million dollars plus whatever he spends on his pathetic promotion of his phony HST, all at our expense…and the vote is non-binding of course!. Yet another great deal BC taxpayers are getting!
Why do we have to wait another year with this tax gouging our pocketbooks when it’s clearly evident to EVERYONE that it’s an unwanted & unjust tax???
There may, or may not be a viable alternative for a government; BUT this government and everyone who wishes to be holding a job within the BC Government MUST LEARN that they WORK FOR US!! They MUST LEARN that if they lie, cheat & steal from their own ppl, THEY will be held ACCOUNTABLE! Campbell & his posse NEED TO LEARN that lying & imposing the HST is not ACCEPTABLE here & will NOT be tolerated.
I hear all these ppl here saying lets start recalls. Well then Let’s DO IT! Words don’t mean anything, actions do!
How do we go about starting recalls??? Contact me if you ppl want to start acting on your words.
Jeff (bigbadb49@hotmail.com)
Your Premier Campbell is one piece of work, he has one year reprieve before the referendum.
This is just a stalling tactic, we have to start the recalls as soon as possible. we need a “third party”
tHE lIBERALS ARE ON THE WAY TO ABSOLUTE OBLIVION. i WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THE WON MORE THEN A HANDFULL OF SEATS NEXT ELECTION.
TED
If you withdraw your vote and enough like you do the same then Gordon Campbell will sure as hell win. They don’t give up. The best viable party to replace the libs for the next 3 years is the NDP. After that vote whomever you want and let the chips fall as they may. If the NDP gets in now they have until May 2013 to scrap it. If they don’t they are fair game for not being elected.
I am thinking, BC would be far better off, going along with Alberta’s idea, of the western provinces separating form the east. BC’s HST goes directly to Harper, as preplanned. There are no benefits from the HST, for the BC citizens, what-so-ever. The HST was designed for big business, and big business only. The HST, has driven up costs, sky high. Small business owners, are closing their doors, more every day. BC Real Estate is tanking, so is our economy. Campbell has thieved so much from this province. There are not enough people in jobs, to pay all of Campbell’s corruption. We will be paying, 50-60 years, to dig out from under, Campbell’s crap, that he and Hansen, created. Campbell, isn’t even a Liberal. He works for his best buddy Harper, of whom, we will remember, come Federal Election time.
Let’s get rid of the HST and not bring back the PST — even if it means raising income tax levels to offset the lost revenue. General sales taxes are regressive, inflationary and expensive to administer.
It would make B.C. a more affordable place to live, visit and do business.
why not go to ottawa bill
you couldn’t do any worste